International Shooting

[Don McDowell]

The excitement over how well the BPTR matches in Raton were run, has folks again talking about international matches.
So that got me to wondering, what if a shooter wanted to travel to Great Britain, Australia, Canada etc to shoot in one of their matches what would he/she expect to have to go thru?
I know we have some members from abroad and I'm hoping they'll chime in here with some tips, advice and comment.
I'll appologize right up front as I have no real clue as to what those folks have to go thru for silly gyrations to get here, but maybe Paul? or other that do come in and shoot with us can enlighten some?

[Kurt]

Don.

I been in contact with a fellow in Germany that wants to come and shoot the Q.
When they air travel they cant carry enough ammo to shoot the match and practice before the match so I offered to get enough powder and primers and a place to reload.
I'm sure that people going over from here need the same help so they can compete on a balanced level.
There is just no way a competitor can carry 400 rounds on the Airplane so he can compete.

[Semtav]

Kurt
You probably got a good setup in your wagon, but if not, I have a reloading room there if they need one. complete with a bedroom if they don't have accommodations. Only cost would be they'd have to speak to my daughter. (she's taking German in College)
Brian

[Don McDowell]

Kurt I know ammo is the big problem , and from what I've heard loading there is the best option? That's pretty much what Dan T was referring to on the shiloh thread, enough of the folks going to Raton pledge for the components the international guys would need, would surely seem to help make it more attractive for them to make the trip.

[bruce moulds]

don,
thanks for raising this subject.
i have for some time desired to shoot creedmoor at raton.
i am also having trouble getting shiloh to recognize my username and password, and i can't change it because it does recognize my email address. so can't post there.
the biggest problem from oz, apart from all the paperwork, is carriage of ammo on aircraft.
it looks like you guys seem willing to assist with loading components.
it sure would help to send over some folding and know you had powder and primers when you got there.
the powder lots there would probably be different than here, so some testing would be required previous to a match.
i think we can carry projectiles, as long as a weight limit is not exceeded.
advice on accomodation and that type of practicality would be gratefully received.
i do wonder the practicality of getting a team from down under.
long range is not over popular here, although sil is getting a toehold.
it would be good to have to eat my words..
keep safe,
bruce moulds.

[ResearchPress]

i do wonder the practicality of getting a team from down under.
long range is not over popular here, although sil is getting a toehold.

Bruce,

Do you have much contact with muzzle loading shooters? Aus. had a team at America for the first time in the MLAIC World Long Range Championships in 2009. They were all fairly new to the discipline but keen to learn. In 2011 they also came to Bisley, here in England for that years MLAIC World Champs.

David

[Kurt]

Brian.

The lodging is no problem and my camper is set up for reloading.
They are renting a camper and I gave them a place in Billings where they can rent one when they land.
I just have to make sure I have someone that will back me up in case for some reason I cant make it.
When that dust kicked up it just about done me in for two weeks afterwards. It really raised hell with my copd.
The primers and powder I carry in the camper anyway and I have a press set up and dies but he said he uses #4 Swiss. Not sure what that is, 4FG?? and the bullets he uses I dont have. The only one I know that uses one like it is Bill Clendenan, not sure how he spells his name.

As far as your Daughter's German. I will be trying to relearn my German when I see her maybe She can fill in the missing links I forgot

Kurt

[ResearchPress]

Most of my shooting is with the Muzzle Loaders Association of Great Britain (MLAGB) and a club, the Long Range Rifles (LRR), who are also a Branch of the MLAGB. Each have their own programme of shoots. Besides many short range events of the MLAGB, the Association also has National Rifle Championship matches at 200, 300, 500, 600, 900 & 1000 yards. The LRR programme starts at 600 yards, includes comps. for Whitworth rifles at 600 yards, Enfield rifles at 600 & 800 yards, and a match rifle aggregate at 1000, 1100 & 1200 yards - all muzzle loaders. The MLAGB and LRR generally run programmes together to create a full weekend of shooting. For example in August there was the LRR Metford Trophy with shooting Fri/Sat at 1000, 1100 & 1200 yards; on the Sunday was the MLAGB National 900 & 1000 yard Rifle Championships. This made for a good three days of long range shooting. We have quite a few members from Holland and France who cross the Channel and shoot with us. In the past we have had competitors from the USA join us, notably the late Joe Hepsworth was a regular visitor. All these events however require membership of the MLAGB.

The MLAGB have a police liaison officer who can arrange for visitors permits. The matches are held at Bisley Camp, in the county of Surrey. There is plenty of basic accommodation on Camp in huts that can be booked through the NRA(GB), plus there are other various club houses through which accommodation can be booked.

The Historical Breechloading Smallarms Association (HBSA) also have long range shoots which include black powder military and sporting rifles. The biggest historic arms meeting is the Trafalgar Meeting, held in October and run by the NRA(GB). This has datelined matches for a huge amount of military and sporting rifles and muzzle loading pistols & revolvers. The NRA should be able to arrange visitor permits, as there are already quite a few shooters attend from Continental Europe.

I'm not sure what's done about reloading for breech loaders, and traveling with lots of brass and lead eats into baggage allowances!

I shot in the USA a couple of times, plus France, Italy, Germany and Finland and never had any problems with security/customs entering or leaving the destinations.

www.mlagb.com
www.longrangerifles.co.uk
www.nra.org.uk
www.hbsa-uk.isonlinehere.com/home.php

David

[Don McDowell]

don,
thanks for raising this subject.
i have for some time desired to shoot creedmoor at raton.
i am also having trouble getting shiloh to recognize my username and password, and i can't change it because it does recognize my email address. so can't post there.
the biggest problem from oz, apart from all the paperwork, is carriage of ammo on aircraft.
it looks like you guys seem willing to assist with loading components.
it sure would help to send over some folding and know you had powder and primers when you got there.
the powder lots there would probably be different than here, so some testing would be required previous to a match.
i think we can carry projectiles, as long as a weight limit is not exceeded.
advice on accomodation and that type of practicality would be gratefully received.
i do wonder the practicality of getting a team from down under.
long range is not over popular here, although sil is getting a toehold.
it would be good to have to eat my words..
keep safe,
bruce moulds.

Bruce there's competitor housing available at the Whittington center, and if flying into Denver there's also a couple places that rent motorhomes that you could drive to the Whittington and park in the rv camp.
Got to wondering about the bullet thing, and almost wonder if it wounldn't be the better deal to just bring your favored blocks and cast the bullets as needed.
I'ld venture that there's no shortage of folks that'll help you guys to get over here and shoot.

[Don McDowell]

Most of my shooting is with the Muzzle Loaders Association of Great Britain (MLAGB) and a club, the Long Range Rifles (LRR), who are also a Branch of the MLAGB. Each have their own programme of shoots. Besides many short range events of the MLAGB, the Association also has National Rifle Championship matches at 200, 300, 500, 600, 900 & 1000 yards. The LRR programme starts at 600 yards, includes comps. for Whitworth rifles at 600 yards, Enfield rifles at 600 & 800 yards, and a match rifle aggregate at 1000, 1100 & 1200 yards - all muzzle loaders. The MLAGB and LRR generally run programmes together to create a full weekend of shooting. For example in August there was the LRR Metford Trophy with shooting Fri/Sat at 1000, 1100 & 1200 yards; on the Sunday was the MLAGB National 900 & 1000 yard Rifle Championships. This made for a good three days of long range shooting. We have quite a few members from Holland and France who cross the Channel and shoot with us. In the past we have had competitors from the USA join us, notably the late Joe Hepsworth was a regular visitor. All these events however require membership of the MLAGB.

The MLAGB have a police liaison officer who can arrange for visitors permits. The matches are held at Bisley Camp, in the county of Surrey. There is plenty of basic accommodation on Camp in huts that can be booked through the NRA(GB), plus there are other various club houses through which accommodation can be booked.

The Historical Breechloading Smallarms Association (HBSA) also have long range shoots which include black powder military and sporting rifles. The biggest historic arms meeting is the Trafalgar Meeting, held in October and run by the NRA(GB). This has datelined matches for a huge amount of military and sporting rifles and muzzle loading pistols & revolvers. The NRA should be able to arrange visitor permits, as there are already quite a few shooters attend from Continental Europe.

I'm not sure what's done about reloading for breech loaders, and traveling with lots of brass and lead eats into baggage allowances!

I shot in the USA a couple of times, plus France, Italy, Germany and Finland and never had any problems with security/customs entering or leaving the destinations.

www.mlagb.com
www.longrangerifles.co.uk
www.nra.org.uk
www.hbsa-uk.isonlinehere.com/home.php

David

David thanks so much for your input and good info.