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I give up!! - Kurt - 02-12-2014
I put several hundred Paul Jones 1.457" long .44 GG money bullets down range with my .44-90 BN using KIK 1.5F, 2F, 3F same using the Olde Eynsford, Swiss, and the rest of the old Goex exp powder shooting 3 and 5 shot ladder test loads and never got the groups under 7" at 130 yards.
Today I finally gave up the ghost with the final loads using Schuetzen powder that I could not keep on my 2'X3' target frame not less on the 100 yard NRA target. I have never had a bullet I could not tame.
The bullets that hit the paper looked like eggs went through.
I finished the session shooting some 5 year old Brooks GG postell up till I pulled a case neck off. All 23 of those went in under 2".
Tonight I cut some patches for these .446 GG bullets and I will see if I can salvage the rest of the bullets I have cast and the PJ mould for the .45-90 by patching them.
Kurt
RE: I give up!! - Old Jim - 02-12-2014
We know you ain't givin' up, Kurt. But there are times when we all take a step back and wonder WTH!
Generally speaking, the money bullet isn't real hard to do ok. I also have the Brooks Postel, a 0.458 and with Swiss 1.5 it will hold 2" at 200 with some swiss.
I 'm picking up some 1.5 Old E from Grafs on Thursday and will try it with the new Boomer 0.458 Money bullet in the near future.
Hang in there Kurt,
RE: I give up!! - Kurt - 02-12-2014
Jim I been working with this bullet for just about two years with the .44. The 1/19 ROT in this particular rifle I get a lot of yaw looking at the holes in the paper. At 200 yards the holes are a 9/16 oval and I pushed them just short of 1400 fps to try to get them stabilised.
Last winter I recovered several from the snow to see what was going on and they all looked great, no fins or gas cuts. Nose had no setback for the lands to make cuts in the ogive past the reduced front band.
To bad the .44-100 wont except a GG bullet to see what the 1/17 ROT does.
For the .44-90 I have one and it works very good in that rifle.
RE: I give up!! - Don McDowell - 02-13-2014
How much does that bullet weigh Kurt?
RE: I give up!! - Kurt - 02-13-2014
498 gr Don.
RE: I give up!! - Don McDowell - 02-13-2014
Hmm, you'ld of thought that thing would of worked... Oh well..
RE: I give up!! - Kurt - 02-13-2014
Just got back home.
Let’s do this again. The Money bullet is 1.460 long and weighs 498 gr.
The Brooks postell is 1.430 long and weighs 496 gr.
The postell has deeper GG than it needs, a lot deeper than the MB therefore it lost a lot of weight do to the deeper GG.
The postell has a lot more mass in the shank and the short bore riding portion ahead of the first driving band and the ogive is a lot shorter than the MB. This makes the postell more stable with the slower ROT than the longer ogive the money bullet has.
You watched me shoot the 1K at Alliance using the postell bullet shot with the .44-90 bn and you busted that 1K iron after I did so you know that bullet is a good one for the 1/19
Now think about this.
I have swaged .493 x 1-7/8" long bullets for the .50 that has a 1/22 ROT and those bullets will bang the 1K iron at Alliance more than it will miss. That bullet has the Creedmoor type ogive.
Now all of the rot to length formulas say it will not work
RE: I give up!! - Don McDowell - 02-14-2014
Yes there are some things that just don't work that should, and others that shouldn't but work like a champ...
Will the new 44 2.4 reamer work with a greaser or is it just a patched bullet round. I'm thinking with the faster twists in these new rifles coming along, that maybe that pjmb might still be useful?
RE: I give up!! - Kurt - 02-14-2014
The way I have the drawing and if they grind it the way it's drawn it will have a .464 chamber neck. With a .011 case neck wall it will except a .442 diameter bullet in the case. But that depends on how close they get the reamer ground. I sooner have it on the tight side. It can always be polished out, not tightened up.
RE: I give up!! - Don McDowell - 02-14-2014
Well
looks like then you need to find a 44 shooter with a fast twist barrel and greaser chamber and say 
Man do I ever have a deal for you.