What makes a Creedmoor?

[laowho]

Did a search here but can't figure out what distinguishes this from other BPCRs. Is it just a tag? Can't really find the history or origin of the assignation, other than the angle of the falling block to distinguish the stronger action. Otherwise, whether yer buying a Browning/Winchester (Miroku) or a Shiloh, what if anything comes by being a "Creedmoor?" And to make matters more confusing, the Shiloh says 1874 and not 1885 which is the year that I thought Browning came up with the falling block angle of 6 degrees.

[bryany]

Sharps 1874 is a model of rifle. A Creedmoor 1874 Sharps may indicate that it conforms to the Creedmoor match rules of the 1870's. Single trigger, rifle weight, etc. I think Shiloh lists a model as a Creedmoor.

An 1885 usually refers to a Hi Wall Winchester or Browning and the current made models.

Creedmoor was a specific rifle range and a current match. The modern match is made up of 800, 900, and 1000 yards on paper targets. The course of fire includes aggregates of 30 or 45 shots per day plus sighters.

Look for books on the various rifle makes and models, it might clear some of the labels up. Most of the labels are just marketing ploys and don't have much affect on what a rifle is good for.

Bryan

[Mike]

Who, The "Creedmoor rifles" met a list of specifications set down by the NRA for the long range matches generally shot at the Creedmoor range. This is off the top of my head so my description here might be incomplete. The rifles could weigh no more than 10 pounds and they had to have a simple trigger (not a set trigger) with a trigger pull not less than four pounds. (Maybe it was just three pounds...) That weight restriction of only 10 pounds made the Sharps almost undesirable because the action was so heavy that only rather lightweight barrels could be used. The prototype for the Model 1875 Sharps was a clear attempt to reduce the weight of the action and the Model 1877 Sharps is another with the lightened action. Today the Creedmoor name is being used but from what I've seen it isn't being used with a true historical sense. If we follow history, any Creedmoor rifle should have a simple single trigger and weigh under 10 pounds. We could go further and suggest that an authentic reproduction of the Creedmoor rifles should be chambered for the specific cartridges that were used at that time; mainly the .44/77, .44/90 BN, and the .44/90 or .44/100 Remingtons. The Sharps .45-2.4" and the .45-2.6" are also in the Creedmoor category. Now, to completely answer your question I've probably said either too much or too little but I do hope this helps. Shoot sharp, Mike

[laowho]

Thanks Mike,

It definitely does narrow things a bit. Truth is, and shame on me, I'm conspiring to add a rifle already in 45-90. Hoping to hook my wife on the 70 this afternoon to accomplish this. (I really hate myself.) Weighing the available Mirokus w/ Badgers against another Shiloh, but would like a high wall methinks. Figure we'd both have a BPCR for our outings and have the ranges and conditions covered. Have even considered tryin my own build but dunno about available barrels. Bartlein doesn't offer a .45 yet, and dunno that Krieger does either. Don posted about Oregon Barrel Co 2 years ago but I can't find them nor Iron Coyote in Canada. Bottom line is I'm pressed b/t the Miroku and maybe just another Shiloh #1 in 90. Cheers, Doug

[Mike]

Doug, Give C. Sharps Arms some consideration for that .45/90. You will have more choices, Sharps, Hepburn, or Highwall, and you'll get your gun sooner. Also for good info on Oregon Barrel Company, drop down to the Publications and look in Outstanding Products in The American Sharps Shooters, 2015-5. Shoot sharp, Mike

[laowho]

Doug, Give C. Sharps Arms some consideration for that .45/90. You will have more choices, Sharps, Hepburn, or Highwall, and you'll get your gun sooner. Also for good info on Oregon Barrel Company, drop down to the Publications and look in Outstanding Products in The American Sharps Shooters, 2015-5. Shoot sharp, Mike

Sorry Mike, figured they were (going) outa business. Will do. Will also check up further @ Publications. And will put in an email to Bill Goodman. And found a Badger blank (email sent) in case I undertake a build myself. And am gonna contact Wayne. And...and...

edit: Thanks Mike. Got it. Great price for a cut rifled barrel.
double edit: Also didn't know whether I wanted the Green Mountain barrel.
triple edit: Yikes--$1300 for a high wall action. Think we'll be doin homework and continuing the search.

[Mike]

No, C. Sharps Arms isn't going out of business. Not by a long shot! Shoot sharp, Mike