Remington No 1 Creedmoor

[desert deuce]

Advice from one that has been there and done that:

The 45-70 you have is plenty gun for mid range target. Properly loaded, it is just fine for long range target. You can start shooting both with that rifle now and search for a Remington Creedmoor while burning charcoal in your Sharps'.

I am pretty sure if you are looking at a "Remington Creedmoor" as opposed to a Sporting Rolling Block the 44 S will designate 44-77 if the rifle is unaltered. Additionally, some of the select 44 S Creedmoors were stamped LLHEPBURN on the bottom flat right in front of the receiver. Legend has it these were barrels tested and approved by LLHepburn for competition.

You will find the rifle of your dreams immediately after you spend all your money on one that does not quite measure up and at a bargain price no less.

[Fogman01]

"You will find the rifle of your dreams immediately after you spend all your money on one that does not quite measure up and at a bargain price no less."

You are right about that!!!! I ordered Marcot's book on Rolling Blocks which is a whole lot cheaper than ordering a rifle then finding out I paid too much or isn't what I thought. I'll keep looking.

[desert deuce]

Good plan on working toward a Creedmoor Rolling Block.

NOW, when and where will you attend a mid range target match ?

[bruce moulds]

getting a little bit off track, but related.
the first creedmoor ammo was the 44/77 case loaded with 90 gns of powder.
can anyone tell me how much swiss powder can be droptubed into a 44/77 case such that it has room for a 0.060 wad as well?
if it is high 80s amount of powder, this might turn out to be surprisingly effective at long range.
with the powder compressed 0.1" such charges would be doable with a pp bullet.
the case would also allow a deeper seated bullet with a grease wad for closer ranges and less recoil.
please humour an old man.
keep safe,
bruce.

[Caprock]

I have a 44-77 marked simply 44 CTGE. 44-77's could be marked more than one way....so could the rifles made for the 90 grain load using the 2 1/4 case. 44S meant either 44-77 or the longer 2 7/16 bn case.

[desert deuce]

Actually Bruce, things similar have been tried. The 44 2.4 and 2.6 are much more amenable and brass much easier to find. I think the difference in todays powder yield different outcomes, to humour and old man.

[desert deuce]

According to Roy Marcot's Book on Remington Rolling Block Rifles, Page 155,

44 S (S means special) typically chamber the .44-77 (2 1/4 inch bottleneck case) and the 44-90 (2 1/4 inch bottleneck case.)

Rifles stamped 44 CTG'E S take the same ammunition as above and was seen on the earliest Creedmoor Target Rifles.

Rifles Stamped 44 S 100 typically chamber the 44-100 Remington Special Cartridge bottleneck loaded with 100 grains of powder and the shoulder is further forward than on the 44 S (44 2 1/4" case)

Only a very few #1 Creedmoor Rifles were chambered for the 44 2.4 or 2.6 straight case as those were introduced in 1880 for the Hepburn

[desert deuce]

forgot to note the 44 S 100 was the 44 2 7/16" case.

[Caprock]

According to Roy Marcot's Book on Remington Rolling Block Rifles, Page 155,

44 S (S means special) typically chamber the .44-77 (2 1/4 inch bottleneck case) and the 44-90 (2 1/4 inch bottleneck case.)

Rifles stamped 44 CTG'E S take the same ammunition as above and was seen on the earliest Creedmoor Target Rifles.

Rifles Stamped 44 S 100 typically chamber the 44-100 Remington Special Cartridge bottleneck loaded with 100 grains of powder and the shoulder is further forward than on the 44 S (44 2 1/4" case)

Only a very few #1 Creedmoor Rifles were chambered for the 44 2.4 or 2.6 straight case as those were introduced in 1880 for the Hepburn

I think if you'll check 44S could also be the 44-90 2 7/16 BN

[bruce moulds]

the problem is that there is nothing that looks cooler than a 44/77 loaded round.
might have to get one for mid rangey kind of stuff.
was kind of hoping that there might be an excuse by using it for long range.
looks like the next one will have to be a 40/85 ballard fast twist.
keep safe,
bruce.