Are the .44-77 BN and the .44-90 BN viable contenders in modern Creedmoor

[beltfed]

I have not heard anything about the LGC BPCR gong matches yet.
I should have asked Jeff Heeler and Jeff Berg on the 12th at the 22 long range match
I would guess that they would likely stay with the three Holiday weekends, probably the Saturdays.
I Will Ask Jeff H.

Oh, are you possibly going to shoot on March 12 22 long range at LGC?

Arnie

[Semtav]

Yes Don, the paper and iron matches are different, but in the scoring. The final at the top of the leader boards are the winners. Some of the finest match shooters compete at the gong matches that shoot th paper matches and you still have to compete against them.
I see no difference at the finals between the two. Top score is top score in both disciplines.

I understand where Jim is coming from. Only the shooter and his spotter really know how well his gun was shooting.
If I'm all over the target and still win, I won't have faith in my rifle.

I have a lot more faith in my rifle than I do in my wind reading abilities, so I'm not a knob twister. I'm happy to stay in my little corner of the target and know the load is good if it stays there for the majority of the shots.

[Distant Thunder]

Brian,

Thank you! You bring up the instant feedback of the spotter who knows "exactly" where the last shot hit, the marker is in the hole. At gong matches that I have shot the targets are not repainted over often and there can get to be many hits on the steel. The spotter often has to guess which one was the last one and I'll often get something like, "That was on the left side somewhere in that cluster of hits, not sure exactly where, but somewhere over there.".

It doesn't matter as much because a hit is a hit and keeping them on steel is what counts. In a paper match I'm generally trying to keep them as close to center, the X-ring, as I can. I don't get crazy trying to get or stay in the X-ring, but it is part of the goal of keeping them centered. There are times when you have to take what the target will give, if that's 9s at 2 o'clock with an occasional 10 I'm good with that. I've been where you turn the knobs trying to get Xs and you end up with a lot more 8s instead of 9s and 10s, you just can't get there from here.

I am a knob turner and I am constantly moving the CENTER OF MY GROUP toward the center of the target, but I don't like to correct off a single shot once I'm pretty much centered up unless I know a condition change has put me out of center. I like to shoot a condition when I can and I'll wait for it to return, if I can, but that isn't always the way it is and you have to turn the knobs to stay centered.

I don't make big corrections unless I know what I'm doing. I can shoot pretty darn fast when I have to and I always know where I am in my shot count and how much time I need to finish my string. I spot the same way for someone else as I do for myself and I love a good score whether I'm shooting or spotting. Sometimes the wheels come off and you just have to suck it up and do better on the next relay. It ain't over until it's over and in most matches everybody will have one relay that could have gone better. I do my best every time I come to the line and I always shake the winner's hand! I love this sport!

[mherth]

I’m still hoping that some day soon matches using only non-adjustable barrel sights will catch on. Hah, simplicity…

[Distant Thunder]

Get yourself a good flintlock and go to matches for them. I believe that is the purest form of shooting and it's fun and challenging. And even more so if you go with a smoothbore flinter, then you only have a front sight, sort of!

[Don McDowell]

There's absolutely nothing keeping anybody from shooting a fixed sight in any type of match.
Gong matches are particularly fun to shoot with just the ladder sights.

[Kurt]

Our range has a lot of family activity and I seldom see a bolt action .22 or single shot .22 rifles. 90% plus I can say I see a 10-22 semi auto with a large scope mounted on it and the rifle is on a solid rest and the kids shoot those 10-22's like I did the M-60 but I kept the busts at 5 rounds they empty the mag before lifting their heads.
They just don't learn how to use the barrel sights or proper handling the rifle that kids learned using a single shot .22 walking the woods or crick banks hunting or shooting sticks floating in the crick or when the carp are spawning and jumping above the water

But then Kids don't have the freedom like I had at age 12-13 to walk the neighbors fields on my own doing this.

[Don McDowell]

Kids of all ages don't shoot the barrel sights in a controlled fashion because they aren't taught to do that. Just like they aren't taught the basic positions of rifle craft. And that's a damn shame.

[JKR]

Getting back to the 44 discussion. Was there ever a large capacity straight cased 44 cartridge?

JKR

[Don McDowell]

Largest straight wall 44 I'm aware of would of been the 44 100 , which was the 2.6 case sized to 44 caliber.