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11-06-2013, 10:59 AM,
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RE: Next season
(11-06-2013, 08:56 AM)DeadEye Wrote: Don, Don,
I would say you have been well and truly smitten by that 1000 yard game. Good for you, enjoy. What isn't mentioned in amongst all those smiley faces in Brian's post is the fact that Penny had TWO expert, local gentlemen helping her with the calls to get that 10/10. That is what my experience with the 1000 yard line showed me. You can be the best shooter in the world with the best gun and load but if you don't have the BEST spotter you aren't going to win. It's that simple. More than 'gong' shoots, more than Silhouette the spotter makes or breaks it in that game. I've never shot the 1000 at Raton but I have a number of times at Phoenix and that is what I found. 'Spot' (Carole Ann) who is a very competent spotter for Silhouette took one look and begged off. "I'll watch and learn," she said. So far she hasn't reached her comfort zone.  So I paired up with a couple of different shooters at different times and the result was that we both ended up the day apologizing to one another. Wind changes that would require a two minute correction for Silhouette are going to take seven or eight when you get out that far and I'm just not up to making that call. I heard the shooters beside me making those calls and they won. I must have heard the phrase, 'be brave' in reference to the call twenty times. Local knowledge of the wind patterns is huge in that game and more so the opportunity to practice at those distances is top of the list. I tried putting together a load I thought would work by shooting paper at the Ram line which is as far out as I can get at home. Didn't work. What looked great at 550 yards fell apart at 900 and worse at a 1000. As a result I think I've pretty much hung it up for that game. I truly hope your experience is better.
Paul
One of those spotters even sang to Penny to keep her calm and he cant carry a tune at all, being a spotter isn't that easy,think I will just keep to shooting.
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11-06-2013, 01:14 PM,
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RE: Next season
The day I'm referring to at Phoenix there was barely enough breeze to make the tail of the flags lift, more like twitching and they were making seven minute changes next door (Gazaway and Youngberg). The flags are on 15' poles but the side berms are 20' so they are just lying to you. By the end of the day I found out that the local shooters use the top of the pit berm to pick up mirage (there's that local knowledge thing again). I'm told that for a 45-70 shooting a 540 grain bullet to get to the Ram line the height of the trajectory will be about 29 feet. I have no idea what it is to get to 1000 yards but it's up there a heck of a long time for the wind to play with. So much can happen after the call is made, just like Kurt said, that it can be a little frustrating, at least for me. But then I don't gamble or play the stock market either. Seeing something fall or hearing it go 'clang' is what turns my crank and of course there is a certain amount of leeway in both cases. Works for me . . .
Paul
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11-06-2013, 03:23 PM,
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Kurt
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RE: Next season
I like all shooting disciplines. But it's a lot easier to get to the top of the leader board shooting a 2 MOA load on iron than it's on paper.
Kurt
Back to the mole den and pour some lead 
The reason a dog has so many friends is because he wags his tail instead of his tongue.
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11-06-2013, 04:50 PM,
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RE: Next season
Hey Kurt,
I demand a lot more accuracy than 2 MOA. I won't settle for anything less than 1.5 MOA.   Seemed to work this year, we wound up 26th at the 'Q' (fourth relay both days, lucky us) and we shot our class in just over 50% of the Silhouette matches and that means 26 to 30/40 for me. I have never got to the elusive 31 yet. As old Butch (we're the same age) says on his way to the line, "there are 32 things I can do wrong. I wonder how many I'll do today." We won the last Silhouette match here with a 28 and I clearly blew two shots at least. And that brings us to the title of this thread, 'NEXT SEASON'.
Paul
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11-06-2013, 06:33 PM,
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Kurt
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RE: Next season
Heck Don for $ 30. you can get a years membership and shoot whenever you want. It will be my first stop on my way to Cactus land this winter.
The reason a dog has so many friends is because he wags his tail instead of his tongue.
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11-06-2013, 06:39 PM,
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RE: Next season
Well Don, I said I've never shot the 1000 yard range at Raton. In fact we were there for the Silhouette Nationals in '08 and '09, did OK too. I was AA back then. The reason we haven't been back is just due to scheduling. Our Canadian Shiloh Invitational is always the weekend after your 4th of July celebrations and they keep moving the Nationals around so that you can't do both. For years we waited for the NRA to announce and then we would try to work around them but even that got hard too do. Now as to SnowBirding there that's not a bad idea but the Ben Avery Range in Phoenix charge $100/wk where the Whittington Center charge $30/night or $210/wk. By the month the Ben Avery is $300 compared to $900. Need I say more. Rhoades puts on some kind of a shoot every week pretty much and in spite of what Kidwell says he's a good guy. You can shoot lever matches pistol and rifle, BPCR Silhouette, Creedmoor, and although the mountains there tend to be bald it's a lot warmer in January. 
Paul
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jury is still out on that one), the spotter really gets to be an issue. The spotter ( and remember in the target games there is only 1 spotter, not a committee) needs to be able to recognize wind, mirage and light changes. Helps a bunch if the spotter understands the ballistics of the bullet you are shooting.
50 if you include the family.