Ran some .22's

[Kurt]

Fogman those are the Federal Gold metal Premium Target 40 gr solid 711B They list it at 1080 fps.
https://www.wideners.com/rimfire/22-lr-ammo 55 yards really won't tell you what the full potential is or will do. I need to get out to 150 to 200 yards. But 50 yards does show what is possible and more important for me is getting a good sight picture that I will not get at 150 or 200 yards with my dimming eyes using a 4X or 6X scope. Even for me now if I put a hole on the edge of the black that makes the black aiming point larger. I really should drop impact below the aim point to keep spot the same.
But of the ammo I listed for this last run in all reality the Fed Target, Rem ESP, Augila Target, Norma Match and the TAC-22 Has shot extremely well with my Douglas barreled CPA 44-1/2 silhouette rifle out to 150 yards that I ran these shells through.
To make this a little more fair for comparison I will move back out to 150 yards and clean the barrel after each set of groups to make sure the barrel conditions are the same and fire a couple fowlers with the next ammo for the group.
This is a good way to keep the winter boredom at bay

[Gussy]

Well kurt, doesn't seam as though a semi auto is any different in velocity than a bolt gun. Actually the semi auto was faster by a very small margin in 3 out of 4 trials. Very small sample however.

My 16" barrel turned out have grown and is now 18". I ran 4 brands/types. Fed hi Vel, Rem hi Vel, Aguila match and CCI std vel. Used them in a standard Ruger 10-22 with an 18" barrel. A custom 10-22 with a 20" barrel. A Ruger precision bolt gun with a 20" barrel. A Winchester low wall with a 24" barrel.

Too small of a sample to be positive (cold out, windy and also cold...).

Federal Hi Vel was the fastest and did actually slow down as the barrel got longer.

Remington Hi Vel got faster as the barrel lengthened, about the same at 20-24".

Aguila....pretty wild velocity variation. Did get slower as the barrel got longer. fastest at 18"

CCI Std Vel didn't seem to care about anything. Tightest velocity spread and almost the same velocity in all 4 guns, less than 6 FPS ave spread between them. It is also the one that shoots best in the 2 Rugers with target barrels.

[Kurt]

Gus I think I better run this again and see if I made a mistake. I averaged out the first 4 for each rifle and there is 80.575 fps difference between the 24 and 28" barrels.
Like you I haven't used the chronograph for a bunch of years and I can't find the manual for the PAC and I had a hard time running the printer and review. I might have punched in the wrong string. I better redo it again.

[Dave Roelle]

Kurt, Gussy

I for one greatly appreciate your curiosity and the testing you have accomplished with the wide variety of ammo !!!!!!!!!!

this data is EXTREMELY valuable to those of us shooting 22 silhouette

I hope to add some group data at the indoor 100 yard range here in town,
CMP Eley, RWS Rifle Match (yellow box)and RWS R100

28 inch Lilja barrel

planning to get to the range after Christmas

Dave

[Don McDowell]

a. I only had a few Wolf Target which shot pretty well at 50 yards. 200 meter groups with anything I've tried haven't really impressed me yet. What kind of groups is anyone else getting at 200 yards/meters? .

Jim it is interesting how some 22 ammo does out of different rifles when you get to and beyond 150 meters. Ideally you should be getting 3 minute or less groups at 200.



That's an official sized 22bpcr ram at 200 meters. My CPA rifle with the 28 inch Douglas barrel shooting Norma match. Interestingly enough my wife CSA lowall with it's 26 in. #2 weight McGowen barrel will spray that same ammo all over the place at the rams, as will my CSA lowall with the fast twist 28 in. McGowen barrel.
My original Stevens with the heavy factory round barrel will shoot Aquila Rifle match extremely well, but all the other rifles around here are ambivilent about it.
The Winchester/miroku lowall really likes SK rifle match, but every thing else but the stevens sort of sprays and prays it.
My lowall shoots Lapua Mida's reasonably well, but shows a definite preference for Center x, and the other day put 5 shots on that ram swinger you could cover with a 50 cent piece shooting the Wincehester Superx t22,,
So far it's looking like both Carol's and my rifle both get along well at the rams, shooting the Remington/Eley target ammo. Hopefully that trend will continue so we can keep just one ammo around to feed both rifles.
Carol's rifle absolutely hates both of the Lapua ammo's.
I did get ahold of 2 boxes of fresh CCI green tag and ran some thru my lo wall, albeit only at 25 yards so far, would shoot bug hole groups with it from the bench..
Moral of the story, jump on one of the mail order houses web site's and order up 2-3 boxes of several brands of ammo, and see what your rifle tells you it likes the best.

[Distant Thunder]

Don,

Ok then, I'm not too far off at 200 meters then. I haven't done much shooting at 200M yet, I've only tested two types at that distance so far. With the Eley I had 5 in a group the was 4 1/8" ctc, only about 2 1/2" high but the little bit of gusty winds gave me more horizontal spread. With those little holes the groups look more spread out than with my .40 or .45.

I converted this rifle from centerfire to rimfire and the original CF extractor style just wasn't going to work worth crap. I was advised to go with a plunger style extractor. That turned into a project that had me sorry I ever started building a .22! Designing and making a 2-piece extractor was interesting to say the least. I made use of the original CF extractor, that I had modified, to move the plunger in and out mostly so I could figure out what was required, planning to make a new piece once I had a clue what I needed.

I just got the scope on my rifle last weekend and I was still having trouble with the extractor as it was so I did not shoot as much as I need to, but I was anxious to run some rounds through it. This week I made a new part that corrected the problems with the extractor and I'll get out again before Christmas and test the ammo I have again and the new ammo I bought this week.

I need to get sight settings with the iron sights first and then I'll put the scope back on for more ammo testing. I am hoping to go to a gong match New Years Day and I'll shoot that match with iron sights. Silhouette I would have to shoot with the scope, but round gongs should be ok with iron sights. I just can't see those odd shaped silhouettes with iron sights anymore. I have grudgingly accepted that fact and my scores last year showed it was a good move.

There are two or three things I'd like to do to my rifle yet but that will have to wait until I can steal some more time from all the things that I should be doing. With the extractor working well it is ready for some serious shooting and this is a good time of year to get that done even though the daylight hours are pretty short. By the time it warms up as much as it's going to the sun is already starting to set.

[Kurt]

       

Dave I would like you to add the data and I will put it in my files. I don't have that ammo in stock.
I only have one target I shot when I got the rifle and I used Federal Bulk Auto match I had on hand and I just wanted to see what the vertical was like because it shot well at 100 yards. The round paster is 2" at 200 yards and the diamond is 1" at 130 yards for comparison.
The 200 yard two four shot groups I made a MOA sight change but I had to cut the shooting short because a weather front was moving in fast. The winds spread the horizontal pretty good but I was just interested in the vertical.
The 130 yard diamond I used Norma Match for the 5 shots on top and Norma TAC-22 for the bottom 5. Both of those rounds have always shot well in this rifle. But it has a very heavy stiff barrel 1" at the muzzle and 1.250" at the breach.

Kurt

[Don McDowell]

Jim you need to go at this 22 testing just like you would when finishing of a 1000 yard load. Once you get something that you think is working test in some crappy conditions. It's interesting to see how many strikes on the rams are starting to show tumbling in a hard cross wind.
I hear you on the winter days. My range here at home faces west, by the time the temperature is comfortable enough to shoot in, the dang sun is in your sights... But if it's warm in the morning, those rams show up like glow lights.

[Distant Thunder]

Don,

I live in a heavily wooded area and while my home range faces north the sun never really gets much above the tree tops this time of year so the shadows are pretty long all day. There is a short period, maybe two hours, when the sun is on my 200M target area. Anything closer has a much shorter window of sunlight.

I really need to clear more trees around here, but that is an on going battle and I think the forest is winning.

I'll be out there Sunday and probably again Monday shooting all the different kinds of ammo I have and trying to sort this stuff out. It would be most helpful if one of the brands available locally proved to be a good shooter, it would make resupply much easier. Once I find something that works well over a period of time I'll invest in a pile of it, but that won't probably happen until warm weather returns to the frozen north or about 5 months from now. So I've got plenty of time to sort things out.

[Fogman01]

Kurt,
I will be testing some ammo as soon a Distant Thunder makes me my front sight for my Miroku Winchester lowall! Next time out I'll have my wife test the Eley that Don gave us through her Stevens with the MVA Win B scope on it. The Stevens seems to like the Norma Match pretty well. I'm using this thread to narrow down the types I can afford to buy and then try them out to 200 yards. I hadn't realized there was so much difference between 50 yards and 200 yards with the same ammo. Interesting. I know when we started sighting in ammo for .22BPCR we used some of the pistol ammo I had laying around. It was pure junk through the .22BPCR rifles we are using. There is so much ammo out there and each rifle likes something different so it is good to get the experience of some of you from this thread. Appreciate looking at the target groups vs ammo type.