Ran some .22's

[Kurt]

Good work Jim.

[Distant Thunder]

I just got the match results from the New Year's Day .22 match at Merrill, WI. As I figured, my 37/40 was only good for 4th place. Just too many good shooters and pretty nice conditions. I will say it was a lot of fun to get out and shoot and talk with friends again. The next match is Super Bowl Sunday and I won't make it over for that one. There should be a 3rd one in March and I'm thinking I'll make that one.

MODERN

Bill Atkinson 38 /9oh
Tom Desnoyer 38/8oh
Jesse Clark 37
Jim Kluskens 37
Jon Stahlecker 37
John Ralph 36
Dale Erlandson 36
Arnie Seitz 35
Stephen Klein 35
Mike Milazzo 33
Ivan Bunster 33
Sheldon Clark 33
Larry Schroepfer 33
Brian Dyrcz 32
Roger Demuth 32
Jay Dyrcz 32
Dwayne Dachel 31
Paul Zeger 27
Sam Milazzo 27
Harry Blair 25
Michael Benson 8 DNF
Dan Mattson 20

TRADITIONAL

Corky Atkinson 34
Jeff Heeler 33
Mike Milazzo 29
Edwin Steffes 24

26 shooter was a pretty good turn out for a cold icy day in January.

[Dave Roelle]

Hi Jim

On the modern side what are the constraints, shooting jackets and such allowed ?


Just curious

Dave

[Distant Thunder]

Dave,

I'm not sure 100% on the rules, but I do seem to remember a few using light shooting jackets mostly to have a sure grip on the butt.

Any rifle with a scope or click adjustable target sights will put you in Modern. I have a BPCRS legal scope on my C. Sharps 1875 and that makes it modern and same as a guy shooting a 40X with a click adjustable target scope and the same as a Martini with click adjustable iron sights.

I think there is a effort to keep it to just two classes and there isn't big money on the table, just bragging rights.

The targets are large compared to .22 silhouette and it is not a registered match. It is just a "fun" shoot and at that it succeeds. Winters are long in northern Wisconsin and any shooting that can be done indoors or, like this match, from indoors is a relief from the daily business of just staying warm.

The 1st target is offhand, a 4" round at 50 yards +/-. The other 3 targets are shot using whatever shooting rest and sand bags you want. It is a very open area and the wind can really move those little bullets a lot, but I saw nothing that I shot in that moved it more that 4" at the long target 195 yards away. I did hold up a few times when there was a gust or a reversal and there is a 10 minute time limit for unlimited sighters and 10 record shots. Coaching is allowed.

The only time I used the entire 10 minutes was during the offhand. With a 12 pound rifle I find a bit of a rest between shots necessary. It till got pretty heavy on the last couple of shots.

[Randy Bohannon]

I just read through all of the replies to this thread. I have been playing with CZ 452 Super Exclusive,453 American,455 Trainer ,455 Full Stock .22WMR all have iron sights except the 453 American it has a Leupold 4-16 Rimfire scope and set trigger and is the easiest to see what ammo does what with the tight bores on CZ's rimfire rifles.
Looking through a couple of U.K. rimfire forums it had been mentioned by several shooters answering new to the game questions concerning the 'best' and 'cheapest' accuracy improvement. It turns out that weight sorting their rimfire ammo was the single best thing a person could do to any rifle and improve it's accuracy. I spent Christmas in CA with my Son and we both have nice rimfire rifles to play with so we weight sorted Eley Club, Norma 'Tac 22' and the Federal 'Auto Match'. Wow were we surprised in the extreme variances in the Eley Club ammo equally split greater than 52 grs. and less than 52 grs. Heaviest was 52.8 grs. lightest was 48.3 grs. My Son asked the question is that powder or bullet variances ? Who knows unless you pull them apart and weigh each component,most likely a combination of all. So we seperated 500 rnds of each. The Norma was so consistently boring @ 52 grs. +- .4 grs.all greater than 52 grs. we did'nt weight sort but 250 rounds.
The Federal Auto Match was right between the two @ 51.8grs. and 52.5 grs. all these are 40 gr LRN. All were seperated by either heavier than 52grs or lighter. The Eley Club over 52 grs. shot the best in three different rifles and turned in some of their best groups to date. The lighter stuff shot decent with a marked difference and all rifles prefering the heavier bullets. Norma Tac22 shot well in all rifles with nothing exceptional. Auto Match shot as well as it always has in my CZ's I did not notice any improvement in accuracy.
Bores of all rifles were throughly cleaned between ammo shifts.So now to do the same with the Wolf and some the other .22LR available and shoot for groups at distance greater than 100 yds.
So my Son's and my conclusions are, it is wortwhile to weight sort rimfire ammo of unknown variances and not mess with Norma Tac 22 or any other ammo that demonstared no significant improvement some ammo will when weight sorted will give you the best groups you and the rifle are capable of.I see weight sorting as another variance I can control to certain degree and reduces those nuisance 'flyer's that ruin a super group.

[Kurt]

Randy I did that once checking for the weight variances and I came to the conclusion it was mostly the priming and the bullet. No way to weigh the priming so just looking at it.

Jim it looks like I missed out. I shoot a lot with Corky and he can hold his own. Did he use his 52?

[Distant Thunder]

Kurt,

I do not know what he used for sure. And yes, he can shoot!

Randy,

I'll have to give weighing these .22s a try. I know I had one shot at 150 yards that I wished I could have done over. While it did go off a little unexpected I was in the middle of the gong at the break and missed by 2" off at 10 o'clock? That is 6" from the POI on all the other shots! Nothing seemed right on that shot after the break.

[Dave Roelle]

Thanks for the update Jim--------That clears things up a bunch

The best 22 BPCR score i have ever shot was a 35, and i had to kick off my shoes and get a good "toe grip" on the ground shooting the chickens to shoot it The "modern" scores had me thinking something was a bit different

Stay Safe

Dave

[Kurt]

Dave I think the small bore silhouette are different than I shot. The chicken were a lot smaller and we shot at 25 meters,50, 75 and 100. The chickens were about from your finger tip to the second joint and a thumb plus a finger high and the whole match was off hand.

[Gussy]

Kurt, you forgot to mention that the chickens were on swingers...... Sideways too.