Reworked Rolling Block

[Klaus]

Hi gents, i would like to use my first thread to introduce myselfe.
My Name is Klaus i`m from Germany and live near Cologne.Enjoy the Black Stuff since around 20 Years and look with some envy across the big pond since I read in several U.S. Forums.
Back to Topic: have bought my Pedersoli Roller for 10 Years ago, did his work reliable all time long but as a Gun out of Stock it`is an ugly gun and was not what i like to see.
I found some old pictures of original Sporting Rollers No.1 and take a decision for a rework . Barrel and Actionbox are sanded and browned with Danglers in different coats. Polished and oiled finaly with WD 40 and Ballistol.
Forearm reworked and poured in a pewter Nosecup.
Barrel Sights: MVA Rought and Ready sight reinstalled .
Frontsight rebuild from a Basic Winchester front, cut at Base and sawed in a slot. A piece of Brass revised to a "Penny look"


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Last Saturday i went to the range to sighting in my new Penny

Distance : 100 m
Support: Crosssticks
Load : 65 grs. KIK FFFg , 520grs Lyman , Compression 0,11 inch.
Wad : Milkcarton,
Primer: Muron / PMC Large Pistol .
Lube: Homemade
Blowtubed after each shot,Bulletholes on the right of the Bucket are from Lyman.520 Gov. all others from .535Lyman Postel


Second Target is an older one with no Penny but a
Globe Front sight with Pinhead Insert
Same like above but KIK FG with 65 grs .




it seems to me that FG Powder are given more accurate by less speed. Whether the Frontsights difference are crucial for target results i dont know because due to the lack of practise with the Penny Sight a lot more of accuracy could be expected.

your opinion is much appreciated

Klaus

[Ironramrod]

Klaus, Welcome! I like what you did to your rolling block; nicely done. I didn't see where you mentioned the caliber of your rifle, but judging from the loads you're using it looks like a .45/70. An excellent caliber to be sure, if that is correct. As long as you asked, try increasing your powder charges for both those bullets to see if your groups get smaller for you. Most of these guns perform best w/ close to full throttle loads. I typically shoot 75 gr. Goex 2fg or KIK 2fg in the .45/70 w/ those bullets, and 80 gr. w/ a PJ money bullet or a BACO pp bullet. Try increasing some loads in 2 gr. increments and keep good records of methods and results; your rifle will tell you which load(s) it likes the best.

Your sight combination is a good one and especially for hunting. Most competition shooters prefer vernier tang sights and hooded front sights w/ interchangeable inserts w/ different sight patterns (e.g. apertures, 4 plex, pinheads, posts, etc.).

Regards

IR

[Klaus]

Klaus, Welcome! I like what you did to your rolling block; nicely done. I didn't see where you mentioned the caliber of your rifle, but judging from the loads you're using it looks like a .45/70. An excellent caliber to be sure, if that is correct. As long as you asked, try increasing your powder charges for both those bullets to see if your groups get smaller for you. Most of these guns perform best w/ close to full throttle loads. I typically shoot 75 gr. Goex 2fg or KIK 2fg in the .45/70 w/ those bullets, and 80 gr. w/ a PJ money bullet or a BACO pp bullet. Try increasing some loads in 2 gr. increments and keep good records of methods and results; your rifle will tell you which load(s) it likes the best.

Your sight combination is a good one and especially for hunting. Most competition shooters prefer vernier tang sights and hooded front sights w/ interchangeable inserts w/ different sight patterns (e.g. apertures, 4 plex, pinheads, posts, etc.).

Regards

IR

Hello Ironramrode,

thx for your warm welcome

`m sorry to forget some info about the Caliber.
Yes it is a 45-70 .
Due the lack of longer Distances as 100 meters and no access to hunt my decision was to have a 45-70 and i`m very pleased with it.
I like opensights and Blade fronts but must admit that a hooded globe front will deliver a better sight picture on target.
For 100m the Frontblade will work well but i will participate on a 300m competition in September and they have a Bucket made of Zinc reduced to 5.5 to 4.7 inches.
I`m afraid that the Blade will cover the whole Bucket at this distance an i ll be not able to /see hit him.
KIK Powder is my new choise but we have no FFg ònly Fg and FFFg.
( seems to be that all FFg are gone to the States)
Due to my Opinon the Fg with 65 - 70grs. compressed by 0,196 inch are the better option as FFFg ?
currently i load 63 grs. FFFG by 0.078 inch compression for the next practical run.
will keep you informed about my results

Klaus

[Don McDowell]

Good to have you here Klaus. I too like that roller of yours.

[rdnck]

Klaus, Welcome! I like what you did to your rolling block; nicely done. I didn't see where you mentioned the caliber of your rifle, but judging from the loads you're using it looks like a .45/70. An excellent caliber to be sure, if that is correct. As long as you asked, try increasing your powder charges for both those bullets to see if your groups get smaller for you. Most of these guns perform best w/ close to full throttle loads. I typically shoot 75 gr. Goex 2fg or KIK 2fg in the .45/70 w/ those bullets, and 80 gr. w/ a PJ money bullet or a BACO pp bullet. Try increasing some loads in 2 gr. increments and keep good records of methods and results; your rifle will tell you which load(s) it likes the best.

Your sight combination is a good one and especially for hunting. Most competition shooters prefer vernier tang sights and hooded front sights w/ interchangeable inserts w/ different sight patterns (e.g. apertures, 4 plex, pinheads, posts, etc.).

Regards

IR

Hello Ironramrode,

thx for your warm welcome

`m sorry to forget some info about the Caliber.
Yes it is a 45-70 .
Due the lack of longer Distances as 100 meters and no access to hunt my decision was to have a 45-70 and i`m very pleased with it.
I like opensights and Blade fronts but must admit that a hooded globe front will deliver a better sight picture on target.
For 100m the Frontblade will work well but i will participate on a 300m competition in September and they have a Bucket made of Zinc reduced to 5.5 to 4.7 inches.
I`m afraid that the Blade will cover the whole Bucket at this distance an i ll be not able to /see hit him.
KIK Powder is my new choise but we have no FFg ònly Fg and FFFg.
( seems to be that all FFg are gone to the States)
Due to my Opinon the Fg with 65 - 70grs. compressed by 0,196 inch are the better option as FFFg ?
currently i load 63 grs. FFFG by 0.078 inch compression for the next practical run.
will keep you informed about my results

Klaus

Klaus--Welcome aboard. The roller looks very nice with the work you have done.

I shoot KIK powder and in my 45-70 rifles, I use 3f. Depending on the bullet, I may use as much as .495 of an inch compression, using a compression die to pre compress the powder before seating the bullet.

I have KIK in 1f, 1 1/2 f, 2f, and 3f. I use 2f in my 45-110 and 45-90, and 3f in the 45-70 and 40-65. You are not handicapped with your 45-70 by not having 2f available. I think you will find the 3f will work much better in your 45-70 than the 1f. Shoot straight, rdnck.

[Klaus]

Hi Bill.

hope you are well.
we talked about KIK Powder on Shilo Forum by PM do you remember?
thx for your opinion on my work .
you are an expert with open barrel sights, what do you think about my question above ?
Will it be realistic to hit a Zinc Bucket measured by 5.5 to 4.7 inches with a Penny front blade on 300 meters reliable ?
i`m afraid that the Blade will cover the Bucket completely.

Klaus

[rdnck]

Hi Bill.

hope you are well.
we talked about KIK Powder on Shilo Forum by PM do you remember?
thx for your opinion on my work .
you are an expert with open barrel sights, what do you think about my question above ?
Will it be realistic to hit a Zinc Bucket measured by 5.5 to 4.7 inches with a Penny front blade on 300 meters reliable ?
i`m afraid that the Blade will cover the Bucket completely.

Klaus

The blade will work. Take a six o'clock hold and set the bucket on top of the blade. You can get very precise sight alignment that way. Shoot straight, rdnck.

[bigted]

strange...the photos are blank of your roller...my screen says that you moved them in the blocks that were suppose to have your pic's in them...id like to see your roller and especially the penny front sight.

Ted

[Klaus]

strange...the photos are blank of your roller...my screen says that you moved them in the blocks that were suppose to have your pic's in them...id like to see your roller and especially the penny front sight.

Ted

Hi Ted,

you`re right
I post them again

Klaus

[Klaus]

So here`s my Roller back at this Forum

















currently i have changed this sight equipment with a tang vernier sight and the post hooded front sight.


further i`ve been looking for the Smith Enterprise Full Buckhorn Rear Sight but this i nearly unable to buy here in Germany.

regards
Klaus